how to feed sunglo explode

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how to feed sunglo explode

Postby mtollett » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:16 pm

do you give a half of the cup that comes in the bag a day
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Postby truevision » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:51 pm

Here is a little trick i have if you want great results with explode. Take a full cup of explode and 4 lbs of S-801 and feed that for 3 day, then off 3 days for best results. But for the best results you have to make sure you rotate them on and off explode and the 801. On the days off feed your normal ration.

I will warn you that that way i feed it you will have excessive weight gain. I am not a professional feeder and haven't been able to dial in a program just to enhance muscle shape and not gain weight at such a high rate. In a 3 day stretch i have had hogs grow 15lbs+.
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Postby hogfeeder » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:19 am

Well, I don't know about that, but if you are going to do that you might as well go and get a bag of 811. As you may already know Explode is sunglo's Paylean, and with all Paylean you must be very careful and make sure that you do not stress or lock the barrow down using it. Because some hog just can not handle the drug ratopamean(paylean) So, first of all, if you start feeding it and see the hog really stomping his rear legs while eating or just standing, or if he start shaking his tail head. Yank his butt right off of the explode. After saying that you must also know that with Paylean you need to be feeding equal amount of fat as you are feeding explode. For example Sunglo Fat Sumo and Explode both come with a little white feeding cup, make sure you are feeding the same amount of these two to help on not stressing the barrow out or locking him down. Next of all know that explode is a 21-28 day reactor, so if you are feeding it more that that you are really just wasting money Finally start with a 1/4 cup at a time. Feed this for about three days and move up, until you reach the desired rate, Which I have personally feed a cup pre-feeding(9 grams) with 811(800 mixed with explode in one bag(bag already has 9 grams) twice a day making a total of 18 grams a feeding and have been alright. Just be careful you can make or ruin you hog real quick using this feed, and just feeding him what he needs. Some hog need more that other.
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Postby truevision » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:44 am

I am not being disrespectful or anything but why would you feed an equal amount of fat while feeding pay-lean. The reason you would feed paylean is to LEAN a hog. The 2 things the drug ractopamine does very very well is increase ADG and increase lean tissue growth, IE: decrease fat. So why in the world would you feed fat while feeding the explode product. That makes NO sense at all. You are offsetting the gains of ractopamine by feeding fat. So basically you are feeding an expensive product for no gain.

When i said to feed 801 that is identical to 811, the only difference is that 811 has ractopamine and Tylan already in the bag. So as i see it feeding 801 and explode you are feeding the correct amount (9 grams of paylean) to the hog without over feeding it. The way you are feeding it while adding Sumo (Fat) you are wasting your money with the extra added 9 grams of paylean.

Like i said in my last post i am not a pro but i have fed hogs competitively for numerous years and have learned tricks along the way. Everybody has there own way of feeding a product so if this works for you that is fine, I do not agree with your way because logically and economically it makes no sense.
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Postby mtollett » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:20 pm

I actually would see feeding the fat and paylean to get a better shape and softer wider hog. that sounds kinda correct to be shaper but also a layer of cover on that hog .
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Postby hogfeeder » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:35 pm

Man, but you got to thin, about how ractopamine work, it is a beta reactor that work by pulling the moister out of fat and turning utilizing it for muscle growth and development. It works in the same order that things like zilpateral (zilmax) work in ruminant animal, just by using a different beta reactor. So, if you don't feed the fat a long with the Paylean you are actually hurting your self, because if you do not feed some type of extra energy. The barrow body is going to start searching for other places in the body with natural fats or even tissue in the joint, and is where you will start getting swollen and and other joint problem. Then on top of that, why in today time with the softer and more productive look; we are using in hog today. Would you want to really want to burn fat (which actually give the animal a fresher look), unless you where trying to shape on up, and there are many different problem out there today that are meant for that that are a whole lot less expensive and less dangerous to use. For example, Final control, or even the fitters 35 that KBG is always talking about.

Plus, if you look at the 811 bag you will noticed that there are a few other differences, for example the lysine level is a little different and has a totally different source of fat or energy then sumo. It is a milk based fat which dose not contain the same level of fat as the sumo(73% fat) which is basically the 418 fat (which is oil based fat) mixed with definition. So, the point is if you do not feed fat along with Paylean you are asking for definite problems to me.
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Postby mtollett » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:12 am

Thanks for the input, It makes sense, I was told to feed refesh with the paylean products as it contains high levels of biotene and that replenishes the fluid in the joints ?
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Postby hampy622 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:55 am

I fed explode once and it did nothing. Best results Ive seen are with lean maximizer from showtech. I think feeding fat with paylean is a must so you dont burn the hog out. I always feed fat with paylean because I want to keep some cover on them but want them to have good definition through their rear and top and shoulder but want them to have good fill but yet not be to lean. Sounds counterproductive I know but theres a fine line between being just fat and getting a hog where they need to be to compete.
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