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Spring online sales

Postby PIGDAD08 » Wed May 01, 2013 7:30 pm

I am curious at how many buyers were happy with the pigs they bought and if they thought they were worth the money they paid. Did the breeders description fit the pig???
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby dolfan31 » Wed May 01, 2013 11:54 pm

I have bought online in the past and will continue to do so.I bought 9 pigs from online sales this spring (not many breeders around these parts) from 4 different breeders. Very happy with 8 of them and they were as described. Slightly disappointed with one. I find it beneficial to contact the breeder to get more information before the sale and not to just rely on the lot description online. The breeders I buy from have been very helpful and are willing to tell me which lots they like best out of the ones I am considering. They even rank the ones I am interested in top to bottom to help me decide which one to go to next if the top one gets out of my price range.
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby easy123 » Fri May 03, 2013 10:24 pm

Bought several, never even got one to a show. Talked to every breeder, shared our goals and followed the reccomendations of the breeders. Sent a lot of money to some reputable high profile operations. What a waste.
Had far greater success from some 'no name' small guys where WE saw the pigs and made our own decisions. And spent a lot less money.
Bottom line is this. When you are trusting the guy who is selling the pig to be your eyes the odds are very high that his goal is not the same as yours.
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby dolfan31 » Fri May 03, 2013 11:58 pm

I have bought from the same breeders for several years. I believe that their goal is to turn me into a satisfied customer. That is the only way that I buy from them again. I do not believe the breeders I buy from would continue to grow to the level they have without a whole lot of repeat buyers. No repeat buyers would put them out of business pretty quickly. So I guess just like everything else it all depends on your experiences and perceptions. From my experience online sales give me access to genetics that I would not otherwise have access to. I have done very well for several years with online purchases and plan on doing so for years to come.
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby Darin » Sat May 04, 2013 11:05 am

Question. Have either of you had one of these online sellers tell you that they simply don't have what you are looking for? Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Let's be honest. The goal for them is really to sell all their pigs and for as much money as they can. In the process of doing that, they hope to gain some satisfied customers that turn into repeat buyers, but let's face it, that doesn't always happen. If you were to go to the farm and sort through the hogs, you might easily leave without buying anything because you didn't find exactly what you wanted for what you are willing to pay. You can always look elsewhere. But with an online sale, you have a nice picture to look at and the description provided by the breeder. You are relying on strong communication and trust more than your own eye to select that hog. The odds of disappointment are much higher. It doesn't mean the seller was dishonest. It just means that they didn't meet your standards either because of communication or because they see hogs differently than you do.

If their goal was truly to meet your standards there would be times when they would simply say, "I'm sorry but I don't think I have a hog in this sale that meets your criteria." I would say most of the time they will find the one that fits the closest and recommend it. Then they'll worry until you receive it and hope you are happy. You can't expect much more than that!
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby dolfan31 » Sat May 04, 2013 2:56 pm

I have had breeders of online sales tell me that if I do not get any of the ones we discussed in my price range then do not bid on the other lots because they do not meet the needs that I have discussed. I have been in a lot of barns that breeders have also tried to talk me into buying something that I was not interested in. Granted it is much easier for me to evaluate and say no sir you do not have what I am looking for. If I lived in a place where there were many breeders within a few hundred miles I would drive to farms and evaluate in person. However we are not all blessed enough to live in hog country. So we buy what we like from local breeders and then look to the online sales for the rest. To summarize given the choice I would rather evaluate hogs in person, but the online sales provide a valuable service to families like mine that otherwise have very limited choice. The option of online sales have actually help reduce our pig costs, this is because when supply and choice is limited the price of the really good ones go up ! It is simply economics when supply is less than demand the price goes up as competing buyers drive the price up. Online sales are no different than anything else some are good honest people who will do what it take to earn your trust and others will just try to sell you on what they have no matter what and do not really care about building trust. I learn by dealing with people whether it is showpig breeders or anyone else, those that act in a way that build trust I continue to do business with those that don't act that way do not get my repeat business.
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby PIGDAD08 » Sat May 04, 2013 6:03 pm

My partner bought 3 gilts from so-called reputable breeders this spring and paid VERY good $$ for them and all three are going to slaughter. dolfan31 i would say count your blessings that you found someone you trust!! A year and a half ago we bought 13 online from the big shooters and 4 made the cut, not good odds in my way of doing business. We're done with online sales, it's become a way to dump the left-overs after the jocks have been through the barns and the breeders place the ones they want with the who's who of feeders. In my business, if i don't have what someone wants, i tell them. That's how u keep repeat business, not by selling them something just to make a buck or i should say a few grand!!!!
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby CMB » Sat May 04, 2013 10:20 pm

Bought one from a very reputable breeder mid March. Hes already gone. Paid way more than he was worth. I was convinced by the breeder that he was really good. I guess our opinions are very different. I will never buy online unless I see the pig before the sale.
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby dolfan31 » Sat May 04, 2013 10:46 pm

Pigdad08,

I will count my blessings and consider myself lucky. I am sorry it did not work out well for you. That must be very frustrating to spend the money and not get what you were expecting.
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby pigboy07 » Sun May 05, 2013 12:17 pm

Well as someone that both buys and sells through online auctions, I have to say for the most part its quite succesful. From the ones i've bought over the years typically called the people had a list of questions going in before hand with what i was looking for and wanted to know. Most ppl you can gage them after talking for a little bit whether or not it's a pig you'd be interested in. Also since you are just going off the picture make sure you pick that apart, angles, background, standing in a pile of wood chips (can't see the pigs feet), all factors you have to consider.
As far as selling them online, I'm a smaller breeder who yeah doesn't get the money these other guys are getting but you know what, when i look at what i'm offering and they are offering I see no difference. I sift through each pig early and then sift again before anything is even considered to go online. If it's not a pig I myself would buy it's not a pig i'm going to have representing me. These guys that put an entire litter online come on now we all know better which should throw up a red flag right away. I encourage anyone bidding or thinking of bidding if possible to come the farm, if you are unable then to definately call. There's times I worry after sales when I see guys have bought them without calling because I want to know you realize exactly what you are getting. At least in my eyes as stated we all don't see pigs the same way. But after each pigs gets to that respective buyer I always contact each of them to make sure they are completely happy and weren't mislead, and I always encourage them to be blunt with me. Maybe I didn't see something they seen or could've described it in a different way. And I like to think we've had quite a bit of success when it counts and that's in the showring with the pigs we've sold. Regardless of price I want ppl to be happy with their purchase first, and hopefully go on to be successful next because once it leaves the farm I have no control of how that pig is taken care of and how it turns out in the end. To answer your question darin yes I have turned ppl away because I didn't feel I had the right type of pig for them or their show when they start describing charactistics. As a smaller breeder my window for mistakes is MUCH MUCH smaller than that of a larger breeder. The larger breeder will always have ppl lining up buying their pigs and paying an excess amount. The smaller breeders such as myself have to rely so much on not just our product but the way we portray that product. I want happy and successful customers, thats the only way I can grow and succeed. Thanks sorry for the lengthy response :)
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby Darin » Sun May 05, 2013 12:48 pm

Nice job! :)
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby dirt_farmer44 » Mon May 06, 2013 12:27 am

i done a little test i bought one and just done the bank thing never seen the cash then i bought one and had the cash setting in front of me i paid about half when looking at how much cash i was spending . just my way of keeping things real
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby brock » Mon May 06, 2013 6:50 pm

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Re: Spring online sales

Postby PIGDAD08 » Mon May 06, 2013 8:23 pm

brock wrote:?????????????????????????????????


Yea i was thinking the same thing, read it three times and still couldn't make heads or tales of it!!! LOL
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Re: Spring online sales

Postby Galion » Mon May 06, 2013 8:27 pm

dirt_farmer44 wrote:i done a little test i bought one and just done the bank thing never seen the cash then i bought one and had the cash setting in front of me i paid about half when looking at how much cash i was spending . just my way of keeping things real


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But seriously, I think what he is saying is the first time he bought one online he had his bank wire the payment to The Wendt Group. On a different occasion, he took money out of the bank before the sale and had it sitting in front of him as he was bidding, and decided that he was not going to spend that much on said lot. You are all welcome.
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